How to deal with Iran and North Korea(转载)

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伊朗和朝鲜是对世界和平的威胁？
　　
　　  提问者：伊朗支持恐怖主义，其拥有的导弹能够打到以色列和南部欧洲。再过两三年伊朗就会拥有核武器。在联合国的核查不能阻止这种威胁的情况下，如果你是总统该怎么做？
　　
　　  克里：你不能仅仅依赖联合国的核查。然而，你说得非常对，它是一个威胁，是一个巨大的威胁。可有意思的是，当总统占领伊拉克时这个威胁正在加剧，而那时的伊拉克却没有威胁。如果他允许核查人员继续做这项工作，我们就不需要动用十倍于在阿富汗追捕奥萨马·本·拉登的兵力去伊拉克了。
　　
　　  与此同时，伊朗却正在研发核武器，他们拥有37吨被他们称之为“黄饼干”的东西，即他们提炼浓缩铀的原料，在伊朗做这件事的时候，朝鲜也许已经制造了一件核武器，也许是四到七件。美国前国防部长威廉·佩里通过谈判在朝鲜的核反应堆安装了摄像镜头并派驻了核查员，尽管他提出了警告，可两年来，总统甚至没有和朝鲜沟通过，没采取任何措施，使朝鲜变得更加危险。
　　
　　  在布什总统入主白宫以前我们是比较安全的。现在它们（译者注：指朝鲜和伊朗）拥有了核武器，我们的安全系数大大降低了。那我们该做些什么呢？我们必须和英国人、法国人以及德国人密切合作，他们已主动关注此事。我们现在必须领导世界全面制裁核扩散。但是这位总统却总行动迟缓，对在俄罗斯的核扩散也这样，按他的进度，分解并找到前苏联失控的核材料需要13年的时间。我提出一个计划，照此计划我们不超过4年就可以找到、控制并分解这些核材料。
　　
　　  再有，总统现在开始建立我们自己的地堡终结者核武器（译者注：美国正在研制的一种轻型战术核武器，用于摧毁地下堡垒）。你现在正抓紧研制新的核武器，要让别的国家放弃它们的核武器计划是非常困难的。
　　
　　  我要领导这个世界尽最大努力制止核扩散。如我们不得不对伊朗采取强硬措施，请相信我，我们将会强硬起来。
　　
　　  布什：他那样回答问题简直要让我太气愤了。他喋喋不朽地说：“让核查员干这件事。”这既天真幼稚又极其危险。这也是《杜尔夫报告》所散布的。他在欺骗核查人员。再有，我们当然在处置伊朗的事态。
　　
　　  我完全清楚这个威胁。我们正在做他所建议我们做的事情：让英国人、德国人和法国人去明确地告诉伊朗人，如果他们想成为国际社会的一员，就必须放弃他们核企图。我们已经在做这件事了。
　　
　　  让我说说朝鲜。如果采用那天他建议的与朝鲜举行双边会谈的政策，那真是太天真幼稚、也太危险了。记住，他可是总指控我没有采取多边行动的人。可现在他又攻击我们的六方会谈——中国、朝鲜、韩国、俄罗斯、日本和美国——想用双边会谈破坏它。
　　
　　  那是克林顿总统干的事。他和朝鲜人双边会谈，你猜发生了什么？他（译者注：指朝鲜最高领导人金正日）不遵守协议，他提炼浓缩铀。那是个糟糕的政策。
　　
　　  当然了，我们正关注这些事情。伊朗的问题更严重。所以我在国会的演讲中说：有一个“邪恶轴心”，伊拉克、伊朗和朝鲜，我们正处理这件事情。我们正取得进展。
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　　How to deal with Iran and North Korea
　　
　　QUESTINOER: Iran sponsors terrorism and has missiles capable of hitting Israel and southern Europe. Iran will have nuclear weapons in two to three years time. In the event that U.N. sanctions don’t stop this threat, what will you do as president?KERRY: I don’t think you can just rely on U.N. sanctions. But you’re absolutely correct, it is a threat, it’s a huge threat. And what’s interesting is, it’s a threat that has grown while the president has been preoccupied with Iraq, where there wasn’t a threat. If he’d let the inspectors do their job and go on, we wouldn’t have 10 times the numbers of forces in Iraq that we have in Afghanistan chasing Osama bin Laden.Meanwhile, while Iran is moving toward nuclear weapons, some 37 tons of what they called yellow cake, the stuff they use to make enriched uranium, while they’re doing that, North Korea has moved from one bomb maybe, maybe, to four to seven bombs. For two years, the president didn’t even engage with North Korea, did nothing at all, while it was growing more dangerous, despite the warnings of former Secretary of Defense William Perry, who negotiated getting television cameras and inspectors into that reactor. We were safer before President Bush came to office. Now they have the bombs and we’re less safe. So what do we do? We’ve got to join with the British and the French, with the Germans, who’ve been involved, in their initiative. We’ve got to lead the world now to crack down on proliferation as a whole. But the president’s been slow to do that, even in Russia. At his pace, it’s going to take 13 years to reduce and get a hold of all the loose nuclear material in the former Soviet Union. I’ve proposed a plan that can capture it and contain it and clean it within four years.And the president is moving to the creation of our own bunker-busting nuclear weapon. It’s very hard to get other countries to give up their weapons when you’re busy developing a new one.I’m going to lead the world in the greatest counter proliferation effort. And if we have to get tough with Iran, believe me, we will get tough.BUSH: That answer almost made me want to scowl. He keeps talking about, “Let the inspectors do their job.” It’s naive and dangerous to say that. That’s what the Duelfer report showed. He was deceiving the inspectors. Secondly, of course we’ve been involved with Iran.  I fully understand the threat. And that’s why we’re doing what he suggested we do: Get the Brits, the Germans and the French to go make it very clear to the Iranians that if they expect to be a party to the world to give up their nuclear ambitions. We’ve been doing that.Let me talk about North Korea. It is naive and dangerous to take a policy that he suggested the other day, which is to have bilateral relations with North Korea. Remember, he’s the person who’s accusing me of not acting multilaterally. He now wants to take the six-party talks we have—China, North Korea, South Korea, Russia, Japan and the United States—and undermine them by having bilateral talks.That’s what President Clinton did. He had bilateral talks with the North Koreans. And guess what happened? He didn’t honor the agreement. He was enriching uranium. That is a bad policy.Of course, we’re paying attention to these. It’s a great question about Iran. That’s why in my speech to the Congress I said: There’s an “Axis of Evil,” Iraq, Iran and North Korea, and we’re paying attention to it. And we’re making progress.
   
   
   
   
   
   
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